Argue about Christianity and the Jews

[Celebrate Nite]

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The faggot on the right did all the groveling for blacks and somalis in that gay city, crying at St. George's funeral, but he doesn't understand group preference, he will never be one of them. And he'll think this is ok as some form of liberal absolvement.


edit: baptists must be destroyed, that this "pastor" acts like killing a baby is something in the Bible is just....

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>Jeremiah
Why do Christians constantly insist on interpreting the old testament when it's not their fucking book?

 

[Among Us Gaming]

Why do Christians constantly insist on interpreting the old testament when it's not their fucking book?

Because its part of the Bible?
The purpose of the Old Testament is twofold: How did we get here, and who is God. Part of purpose is to understand who God is and how he works in the world

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Because its part of the Bible?

That was made by jews. Christians aren't jews.

 

[Mister Fister]

Jew sperging take a drink

 

[Among Us Gaming]

That was made by jews. Christians aren't jews.

Yet the first Christians were Jewish, and our Messiah is also Jewish, and affirmed the old testament. Again, for the Christian, the Old Testament is a history of the faith from the start of time, and a study in the character of God, whereas to the Jew, it is a history, a study of God, and law. That last bit is a key difference.

Jew sperging take a drink

I'd rather take a bullet at this point

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The people who go to mega churches don't have views about pastors. i think you're missing the forest for the trees. The people willing to attend a church service in an auditorium with 1000 people are not the kind of people concerned with the social structure of a local church and how they fit into it, they are not looking at the world at the same scale that you are. They are concerned with a much more superficial reality where they primary concern is making sure that they're doing the things everybody else is doing and making sure the kids have the things everyone else has. They're basically just jews, really. The pastor is simply the guy on the stage when they're At Church, which they go to every week because they are a Good Christian. They've gone to church since they were a little kid and have no intention of ever stopping, but they have absolutely no clue what a Nicene Creed is.

Dead. Nuts. Accurate.

While all worshipers are the figurative "flock" of sheep, megachurch members are also that in a literal sense. They don't think anything beyond going to church because "that's what you're supposed to do." It's like a High School trend that no one grows out of. Like a hairstyle or brand of jeans or shoes that if you don't have, you're a loser. Everyone they associate with on a personal level goes and they raise eyebrows and suspicions about anyone who doesn't.

And what could make them feel wrong? There's 1000's to 10's of 1000's of others there. The production levels are on par with any arena music act, and they get told they're good boys and girls for attending and donating (regularly).

In this sense, I at least respect the mormon grift. They make no bones about it and will erect a fucking temple in your 'hood to assert dominance paid for by their 15% tithing.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Because its part of the Bible?
The purpose of the Old Testament is twofold: How did we get here, and who is God. Part of purpose is to understand who God is and how he works in the world

“There are an estimated 45,000 different denominations of Christianity worldwide. These denominations represent diverse interpretations and practices within the broader Christian faith‘

Well that didn’t turn out so good.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

Well that didn’t turn out so good.

Your point being?

 

[Potion_Time]

Why do Christians constantly insist on interpreting the old testament when it's not their fucking book?

The whole Bible belongs to Christians who are the owners of the covenants and their history. That's why it's laughable when jews claim to be gods chosen people when they gave up that title thousands of years ago. The modern Israel for instance has no biblical roots at all. The Palestinians are more connected to the old testament by faith and history than modern jewry.

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Your point being?

The Old Testament did a shitty job of teaching those things for there to have ended up with 45k distinct interpretations. Worst explanation manual ever, if you ask me.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

The Old Testament did a shitty job of teaching those things for there to have ended up with 45k distinct interpretations. Worst explanation manual ever, if you ask me.

Oh yeah I forgot, when something gets taught, everyone agrees on every single aspect of it and would never have any opinions that differ from anyone else.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Oh yeah I forgot, when something gets taught, everyone agrees on every single aspect of it and would never have any opinions that differ from anyone else.

You’d think an omnipotent being could figure out a workaround that avoided a bunch of blasphemy and bloodshed.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

You’d think an omnipotent being could figure out a workaround that avoided a bunch of blasphemy and bloodshed.

Yeah I don't know why he didn't do that. After all, when Jesus came to earth, everyone that saw him perform miracles automatically beleived him and everything he said. Its especially confusing since people never take extremely clear and unequivocally direct passages from the Bible and willfully misinterpret them to mean something else.

 

[The best and greatest]

You’d think an omnipotent being could figure out a workaround that avoided a bunch of blasphemy and bloodshed.

Christians really wrote themselves into a corner by insisting that god is all-knowing and all-powerful because now they have to reconcile how a morally perfect and all powerful being is content to watch us suffer and die for his own amusement.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Yeah I don't know why he didn't do that. After all, when Jesus came to earth, everyone that saw him perform miracles automatically beleived him and everything he said. Its especially confusing since people never take extremely clear and unequivocally direct passages from the Bible and willfully misinterpret them to mean something else.

You’d think he’d have known that though. I dunno religious talk gets weird because it concerns something people are passionate about and discourse gets heated very fast whenever the ‘maybe you aren’t following the actual word of God’ thing comes up. Even the niggerest Branch Davidian would swear up and down they know the truth and I’m just a person who always questions even my own values because well it WOULD be just like God to give us the right answer and belief system but it was like Catharism and we fucked it up exterminating them and we are all just automatically damned.

lol.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

You’d think he’d have known that though

And done what? Made everyone perfect with no free will, thus negating their existence? If humanity had no free will, then to what extent are they actually responsible for their righteousness if they cannot choose anything else?

Im not saying trust don't question, I'm saying your questions are and have been answered for centuries at this point.

 

[Jinn in the phone]

Christians really wrote themselves into a corner by insisting that god is all-knowing and all-powerful because now they have to reconcile how a morally perfect and all powerful being is content to watch us suffer and die for his own amusement.

Google "Middle Knowledge" challenge

Tl;dr It might beggar belief, but we live in the best of All possible Worlds

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Made everyone perfect with no free will, thus negating their existence?

Depends on what value you place on existence I guess. You can buy into the ‘suffering makes life worthwhile’ narrative or you could be like ‘yeah but without free will I’d never even be able to feel anything but fulfilled so it wouldn’t matter’.

Anyway I’m sure they’ve answered this centuries ago I am just not sold that the answers are convincing.

 

[gay porn is the best porn]

Christians really wrote themselves into a corner by insisting that god is all-knowing and all-powerful because now they have to reconcile how a morally perfect and all powerful being is content to watch us suffer and die for his own amusement.

This is in reference to the Epicurean paradox no? I talked with a bible scholar who had a PHD and his counterargument was that Gods logic is different than ours and that you need blind faith. He provided an example of blind faith like trusting in the chair being able to hold you up and whatnot. It still seems like it's a bunch of shit since you can just make shit up and then say that you need blind faith. The problem is that you can clearly define where your blind faith extends (human logic, what you can interact with, etc) and where it doesn't extend (god, ghosts, etc).

 

[Among Us Gaming]

Depends on what value you place on existence I guess.

That point is made in reference to the corrolaries that followed it. When I say "negating their existence" what I mean is that if humanity had no free will and could only be good, then they are not truly culpable or responsible for their righteousness, which extends into a deeper question of if that could even be considered righteousness.