Argue about Christianity and the Jews

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yet he got pissed off when they were crucifying Jesus, which shouldn't make any sense given he should already know it's going to happen anyway. Similarly he would've already known Abraham's commitment to him, yet he still asked for his son to be sacrificed. He similarly expressed anger in the old Testament to for numerous things I can't recall.

The Bible gets very tricky, most Christians do hold the belief that God is all knowing and all powerful though. The interpretation that God wants to stop evil comes from the fact that the Bible is trying to tell us how to avoid sin and being sinful. It's not unreasonable to assume that God doesn't have a fondness towards evil and therefore he wants to prevent it like it is demonstrated by him telling us what to avoid to not be evil.
As for the point made about self limitation, that would mean that he's not all powerful anymore which contradicts what the Bible says after he already "limited" himself. It's been years since I've read the Bible so maybe it uses weirder wording for Gods power like "set above" which gets misinterpreted as all power

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

The Bible gets very tricky, most Christians do hold the belief that God is all knowing and all powerful though. The interpretation that God wants to stop evil comes from the fact that the Bible is trying to tell us how to avoid sin and being sinful. It's not unreasonable to assume that God doesn't have a fondness towards evil and therefore he wants to prevent it like it is demonstrated by him telling us what to avoid to not be evil.
As for the point made about self limitation, that would mean that he's not all powerful anymore which contradicts what the Bible says after he already "limited" himself. It's been years since I've read the Bible so maybe it uses weirder wording for Gods power like "set above" which gets misinterpreted as all power

You are a self-admitted gay communist, your opinions on the Bible are invalid and you should shut the fuck up.

 

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You are a self-admitted gay communist, your opinions on the Bible are invalid and you should shut the fuck up.

I was raised southern baptist

 

[Sensitive Young Man]

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What a strange religion

 

[>IMPLYING]

The Bible gets very tricky, most Christians do hold the belief that God is all knowing and all powerful though. The interpretation that God wants to stop evil comes from the fact that the Bible is trying to tell us how to avoid sin and being sinful. It's not unreasonable to assume that God doesn't have a fondness towards evil and therefore he wants to prevent it like it is demonstrated by him telling us what to avoid to not be evil.
As for the point made about self limitation, that would mean that he's not all powerful anymore which contradicts what the Bible says after he already "limited" himself. It's been years since I've read the Bible so maybe it uses weirder wording for Gods power like "set above" which gets misinterpreted as all power

Self-limitation doesn't mean cutting yourself off form the rest of your power; If God is truly all powerful then limitations on other aspects of himself shouldn't be out of the question. Another aspect of God to consider is the fact he's all-knowing, ergo if he's aware of the future then that means our fates are pre-determined, ergo a violation of free will. Thus, God would have to limit what he's capable of knowing in order to not violate free will, even if access to that knowledge is definitely still within his capabilities; however, all-powerful isn't contingent on being omni-present and all-knowing, so his own power would enable him to limit the latter two whilst preserving the former.

Limitation also doesn't necessarily mean to remove the capability from oneself entirely, it could also mean he simply be inaction, which is well within his purview. He also has free will too, and like "tolerance", just because he may not like something personally does not mean he has to sperg about it with his actions (he did that one time and promised not to do it again), but you are informed well in advance that acting against that which he considers intolerant means you might be denied entry into heaven, which is on you because you were already made aware potentially decades before your death.

TLDR: God doesn't like sin, but he can't intervene on us sinning. It has to be our choice, or else the concept of good and evil are eliminated entirely and we'd pretty much already be existing in the Kingdom of God or something. Inaction =/= No longer all-powerful.

Why are we arguing theology with someone who judging by their username likes big pens is up their ass?

I think a lot of hatred/dislike of Christianity comes from misunderstanding. And even if the intent isn't to change minds, I think contradicting viewpoints let you analyse your own beliefs and create more succinct, ironclad arguments and positions. And even if you're arguing a point performatively, it lets you think from different angles on a subject. Most people have no need to consider the Epicurean Paradox because they're assured of their own faith so any contradicting points of view don't matter, but the use in absorbing it and considering how to argue against it is useful because the end-result might be a strengthening of your faith. If there's fewer arguments out there that actually "work", then there's fewer points of attack.

 

[Margo Martindale]

Since people are still talking about religion... in Leviticus is says a man shall not lie with another man, but it says man, not women. So does that mean being a lesbian is not a sin?

 

[BikeLock]

Since people are still talking about religion... in Leviticus is says a man shall not lie with another man, but it says man, not women. So does that mean being a lesbian is not a sin?

"Only if the two women are hot." - Jesus, probably

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

"Only if the two women are hot." - Jesus, probably

This is blasphemous. Christ taught God made people male and female, and that is the only acceptable form of marriage, a man and a woman. The moral standards of the Bible apply to everyone the same. There are spots throughout the New Testament condemning homosexual acts.

Re: What people say about the Bible's teaching on sexuality, how mad they get - if people want to throw out what Leviticus says because of the secular world's errant views on homosexuality, then they need to realize that Leviticus also speaks out against incest, bestiality, and necrophilia as well - all four acts are sinful. Would these people I'm describing think those things are okay as well?

 

[StudMccool]

God is all knowing and all powerful, therefore, when He made me, He knew that I wouldn't believe in Him and I would go to hell for that. Who is at fault? It's His because, being all knowing, He knew exactly what He was doing creating me which makes my life and where I will go predetermined by him. If He didn't bother to consider what I would do by making me in this way then He is still at fault for being negligent.

You.

You are both kinda right and kinda missing the bigger point IMO, lemme wax on you bout theology for a quick second

God(old testament) made man and woman from man with FREE WILL this was built in from day one, page 1. This is evident by him making the "apple tree" and saying dont eat from it. THAT RIGHT THERE, the apple tree metaphor was the very essence of free will being imparted into us.

This is counterintuitive for alot of people, they ask "why would God even give us the ability to sin or give us ways TO sin, seems to fly in the face of the "all benevolent idea". Stick with the story and we will get there ok, promise.

So thats old testament God, God the Father. He goes through the whole of the first half of the bible trying to work with humans before he decides its time to forgive us for being the way we are, enter Jesus, or God the son, he was made flesh on earth and sacrificed FOR US AND OUR SINS so that even though we still sined despite the fact we had the option NOT TO SIN God still found a way to have us live eternally with him, he sacrificed his only begotten Son.

So Jesus died on the cross AND WAS RESURRECTED to show how on earth we must "die and be reborn" in our faith for the Lord and his forgiveness for our sins.

The essence of Christianity at its core is the acknowledgment of sin and our failure to live up to our fathers original plans for us but accepting that and being reborn in the idea of eternal salvation DESPITE the failures and DESPITE the sin.

So yea we are always the problem and the sticking point but thats kinda the whole point, if God had wanted a bunch of perfect un sinning replicas of him he could have made that very easily, whats the point of having loving worshipers if they are FORCED to worship, its the idea of giving an intelligent species the ability to be shitty and yet they still choose to do right is what really "gets God out of bed in the morning" so to speak but thats obviously just my own thoughts on the matter and thats far from a conclusive theory.

this is all related to US politics because it says in God we trust on our money

 

[JustSomeDong]

This is blasphemous.

Even Freud said sometimes a shitpost is just a shitpost, or something to that end.

Calm down.

Also, you have hiv-aids.

Not hiv. Full blown aids.

 

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Self-limitation doesn't mean cutting yourself off form the rest of your power; If God is truly all powerful then limitations on other aspects of himself shouldn't be out of the question.

Isn't there a paradox related to something being all powerful?

God doesn't like sin, but he can't intervene on us sinning. It has to be our choice, or else the concept of good and evil are eliminated entirely and we'd pretty much already be existing in the Kingdom of God or something. Inaction =/= No longer all-powerful.

But still, what prevents God from creating a world that has free will AND no sin? The consensus for Biblical scholars is that God is all knowing and all powerful so what could possibly explain this outside of negligence or evil since incompetence is ruled out? This is where the conclusion that I mentioned before is made, that God has a reasonable explanation for it, it's just that we cannot comprehend it due to his logic being different than ours and therefore you need blind faith.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

But still, what prevents God from creating a world that has free will AND no sin?

Because that's boring and stupid, nigga. You can't have free will without the possibility to do evil. It's like asking "Why can't Dragon Age Veil Guard be not gay and have outstanding combat systems?" It's like, sure it could, but it's legit impossible due to the divine mandate of humans having to choose between sick ass writing and turn-based strategic combat, vs having a tranny buttsex another tranny while making everything like Mass Effect 2 but somehow more gay and stupid.

This is predicated on the belief that souls exists, but that branch of metaphysics is plagued by quacks and pseudo-science, so let's not dwell too much on that.

Yeah, humanity is nothing but brain chemicals and walking sacks of meat. Therefore, in absurdism, I must goon to e-thot porn 23 hours a day while trying to avoid getting a real job.

 

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Because that's boring and stupid, nigga. You can't have free will without the possibility to do evil.

He's all powerful so he's capable of making it happen and he's all knowing so he knows to do it.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

He's all powerful so he's capable of making it happen and he's all knowing so he knows to do it.

Saying 'God is omnipotent, so why does sin exist when he hates it so much and spergs about it nonstop?' is kind of like asking, 'If air is real, why isn’t it as heavy as concrete?' Just because something’s powerful doesn’t mean it has to micromanage everything in the same way.

The whole point of free will is a test of moral agency and choices for humanity.

Yeah, God is all-powerful. But that doesn’t mean he’s dictacting every second of your life like some kind of fat white woman playing The Sims and getting super pissed off at you because you keep fucking gay niggers in the asshole.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

You can totally fucking slam dunk me right here and embarass me out of this thread forever by quoting what you're talking about. But you won't, because you're a retard who only knows how to do really shallow narcissistic and antisocial parlays.

You claim you have evidence of me lying and breaking my own rules, still haven't posted it yet. I know activities at the group care home take up a lot of your time but I would figure you would have an example already. Are you still trying to pretend kabbalah and gnosticism are the same thing?

Saying 'God is omnipotent, so why does sin exist when he hates it so much and spergs about it nonstop?' is kind of like asking, 'If air is real, why isn’t it as heavy as concrete?' Just because something’s powerful doesn’t mean it has to micromanage everything in the same way.

The whole point of free will is a test of moral agency and choices for humanity.

Yeah, God is all-powerful. But that doesn’t mean he’s dictacting every second of your life like some kind of fat white woman playing The Sims and getting super pissed off at you because you keep fucking gay niggers in the asshole.

The continually annoying thing about discussing religion on the Internet is running into retards who fall for whatever they see first and pretend that they're worldly scholars or atheists with Daddy issues trying to prove that there's no God because it somehow symbolizes revenge against their negligent father

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

The continually annoying thing about discussing religion on the Internet is running into retards who fall for whatever they see first and pretend that they're worldly scholars or atheists with Daddy issues trying to prove that there's no God because it somehow symbolizes revenge against their negligent father

Pretty much every argument on-line about Christianity, and I'd assume Judaism, pretty much turns into that. Almost every internet atheist I've ever discussed religion with has never bothered to look at any of the discussion or debate about those topics that Christianity has had over the last two thousand years and I've never known one to accept an answer no matter how well supported or argued it is. I think you're right and it's mostly daddy-issues all the way down and until they resolve those there's no point in debating anything with them. I spent a long, long time trying to do just that.

On the other hand, I love the book of Job and I suppose I find God's answer to Job to be good enough.

 

[Unzen]

the book of Job

Literally tortures a guy for no reason. Book of Job is the weakest part and there's no defending it.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Literally tortures a guy for no reason. Book of Job is the weakest part and there's no defending it.

That is the absolute surface level take I'd expect from a bait post, so good job proving my point. It's one of those "I've never actually read Job with any level of comprehension," tells. Especially since there's commentary on Job from all kinds of source, both religious and not. Even fucking Carl Jung. There's no point in arguing with the willfully ignorant, it's just casting pearls after swine.

 

[WelperHelper99]

That is the absolute surface level take I'd expect from a bait post, so good job proving my point. It's one of those "I've never actually read Job with any level of comprehension," tells. Especially since there's commentary on Job from all kinds of source, both religious and not. Even fucking Carl Jung. There's no point in arguing with the willfully ignorant, it's just casting pearls after swine.

The entire point of Job is that he suffers and is REWARDED at the end for the suffering. Satan asks "hey God, that's your strongest soldier, right? Let me try to break him." God allows it because He knows Job won't fail. Job loses everything he has and yet he keeps his faith. And all that he lost is restored to him ten fold.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

Literally tortures a guy for no reason. Book of Job is the weakest part and there's no defending it.

Literally gives his strongest warrior his toughest battle and said warrior meets God's expectations leading to the story of his victory over Satan's attempts to break him to be told for millennia. Job didn't just win, he won so hard he got back everything he lost twice over.

Job is a break glass in case of hardship story to help you through the hard times. If Job can put up with THAT, it sure does put my petty problems and complaints into perspective.