Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

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Good compilation, thank you. I remember when WBB really took off, people like Mr. Enter and Jem Reviews were sucking it off saying it was part of a cartoon network renaissance. One guy I remember could barely talk about one episode without crying because it was so "emotional". That's when I realized cartoons weren't being made for kids anymore, or even the parents who have to watch with their kids - They're being made by and for sexually deviant, emotionally stunted adults. Even MLP had less overt faggotry than WBB, Steven Jewneverse, or really anything on at the same time and that's saying something for a show with a character named rainbow.
And that is why the current cartoon industry in the west fell into the toilet, their distain for the late 2000s junk led them to latch onto anything different and not notice the warning signs, And let it fester so bad that you can no longer salvage it, Only throw it away.
 
because the creator Hiroyuki Imaishi (also made Kill La Kill and Gurren Lagann, animated FLCL as well) admittedly didn't trust them after the whole Vic fiasco and (also very likely) them changing the dub scripts today to extremely disastrous results.
I need proof of this because that is some serious balls if true.
 
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I need proof of this because that is some serious balls if true.
Alright, just remembered that my retarded ass confused it with Genshit and the whole bullshit strike with Paimon's former English VA, and how it was mentioned in the game afterwards (especially given how similar this situation was compared to it). My bad.

Although there could be a possibility it could be mentioned. Knowing how the anime is and how it's always no-holds-barred, it's fair to assume that something like that could happen in the future.

Once again, my apologies to everyone for being an impulsive faggot!
 
I think people see the broader spectrum of storylines in anime, the way it isn't as censored and pigeonholed as US animation is, and the cool action scenes and unpredictable outcomes (since it isn't coming from the same 5 writers that make everything in Hollywood) and they think they can glean some of that by just giving the characters anime hairstyles and sparkly eyes. They want the deeper levels of what makes good anime different from the sea of mid US animation, but like with everything else they can only mimic surface elements. That's why "western anime" fails all the time except for ATLA, it's just a vaguely Japanese inspired visual style over the same old writing people are already tired of.

If we really are talking about just the visual style, I think it's just the fact it's different. Big sparkly eyes, more realistically rendered hair, more detailed designs that look more like real people than cereal mascots. It's exciting compared to boring blob people and throwback 50s toons type characters.
I think it has less to do with art styles or with the spectrum of stories (think of how much isekai slop gets churned out and people gobble it up). Rather, it's because the Japs still remember that a story has to be about two humans relating to each other, not post-ironic hipsters quipping at each other, sassy queer latinx xisters dunking on the huwaite man, or the author nudging the audience going 'eh? eh?'. I don't think it's a coincidence that Columbo is getting a minor meme resurgence on YouTube, despite it being older than 75% of YouTube's userbase, because back then we in the West still knew how to tell a story.
 
I think it has less to do with art styles or with the spectrum of stories (think of how much isekai slop gets churned out and people gobble it up). Rather, it's because the Japs still remember that a story has to be about two humans relating to each other, not post-ironic hipsters quipping at each other, sassy queer latinx xisters dunking on the huwaite man, or the author nudging the audience going 'eh? eh?'. I don't think it's a coincidence that Columbo is getting a minor meme resurgence on YouTube, despite it being older than 75% of YouTube's userbase, because back then we in the West still knew how to tell a story.
This is another interesting thing I've noticed about Japanese (and Chinese) slop. Even the most formulaic and corporate garbage is quite clean compared to Western stuff of the same caliber because they properly study writing and the visual arts.
 
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You had a whole ass season or so of Garrison's tranny arc, of which he manages to swade some guys/gals to fuck his neo-vag and even helped save a Lesbian bar. That's a lot more than what could be said about what current troons can accomplish, in fact it's still a way more flattering depiction of mid 2000s trannies because the world was still under the impression that troons can fool people into thinking they are the actual gender they larp as.
 
Those 2000s "How to Draw Anime" books of varying quality have been a disaster for the aspiring artist because it's proving time and time again that way too many of them have never left that phase.

It's ironic that in the West everyone's trying to draw anime but in Japan the thing they care the most about western animation is still the classic Disney shorts from the 30s and 40s.

Caleb: "Prostitution is a bit degrading, isn't it?"
Art chick: "So is living in grandma's basement."

Someone in Granny's basement may or may not be a lazy POS... OR he/she may be starting to stand on his/her own two feet in life. May be through an unlucky spell, May be thrifty. May be chipping in with the groceries and utilities. May be helping a sick Grandma around the house with the more physical stuff. May still have a dozen more legit excuses.

Someone prostituting on OnlyFans is a lazy POS who'd rather sell herself than do actual 9-5 JOB to make a living. Sure, she may have a worthless animation degree, but her second choice rather than finding a 9-5 JOB or going back to school is to be a filthy no good harlot. So let's recap.... it's a) Making cartoons, or b) Whoring herself online like a tramp, or c) no plan c) fuck dignity, propriety and similar shit for manual-labor peasants.
 
Sorry if this is late and gay, but I hadn't seen it posted yet.

The new trailer for FIXED by Genndy Tartakovsky (of Primal fame) has been uploaded with a release date on Netflix of August 13. Unfortunately, it forces me to look at dog balls in more detail than I ever cared to, and the voice acting already seems especially uninspired.
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Sorry if this is late and gay, but I hadn't seen it posted yet.

The new trailer for FIXED by Genndy Tartakovsky (of Primal fame) has been uploaded with a release date on Netflix of August 13. Unfortunately, it forces me to look at dog balls in more detail than I ever cared to, and the voice acting already seems especially uninspired.
I am fucking *begging* Western animatiors to stop trying to be edgy, provocative, and weird with animation. We get it, the dog has balls, the 10 y/o says the Fuck word. Fritz the Cat came out in came out in 19-fucking-72. We've all moved on, except apparently you assholes. No wonder the Japs are kicking our asses.
 
Shit look at people like Zone. Her Wander over Yonder animation is 7 years overdue and she just sits in livestreams playing video games and posting doodles to patreon these days. I wouldn't trust her to run the production of an actual show any better than the tards in the industry now.
That's HIM btw.
I am fucking *begging* Western animatiors to stop trying to be edgy, provocative, and weird with animation. We get it, the dog has balls, the 10 y/o says the Fuck word. Fritz the Cat came out in came out in 19-fucking-72. We've all moved on, except apparently you assholes. No wonder the Japs are kicking our asses.
It doesn't even matter because Japanese media is way edgier anyway.
Sausage Party is a limp dick compared to your average serious mainstream anime.
 
Sorry if this is late and gay, but I hadn't seen it posted yet.

The new trailer for FIXED by Genndy Tartakovsky (of Primal fame) has been uploaded with a release date on Netflix of August 13. Unfortunately, it forces me to look at dog balls in more detail than I ever cared to, and the voice acting already seems especially uninspired.
This looks and feels like some shit John K would make, is Tartakovsky low on booze money?
 
Fritz the Cat came out in came out in 19-fucking-72. We've all moved on, except apparently you assholes.
Fritz the Cat is also still (re)watchable because apart of it being good for pushing the boundaries back in the 70s, it was not the only thing that was good about it. The movie in general reflects its time and society, edge is just a tool to convey that. Sure, maybe, in time people weren't aware that it reflects anything, and too thought that it's just pure edginess. But I still don't think that the garbage that is getting released nowadays will stand the test through time the same way Fritz the Cat did. It's just some edgy garbage that exists for shock value or for edginess sake. Like with cheap horror that uses jumpscares instead of clever writing and genuine thrill, this thing will likely be forgotten literally the next day it gets released.
 
Didn't Trey and Matt literally come out as Republicans like 15 years ago?

Anyway, every character on South Park is a caricature, that's half the fun. What, are PC Principal, Trans Randy Savage, Mr. Kim, or Kyles dad who transitioned into a dolphin all completely normal everyday people to you?

"Lel ecksee conservatives can relate to cartman while we enlightened liberals can relate to everyone else!" is an opinion only someone who has never watched the show could have. Fucks sake half the cast on the show are drug addicts or murderers, outside of having a more annoying personality Cartman fits in pretty well.

The overwhelming majority of people who like Cartman or the gags involving him do not "relate" to him. He's an evil, annoying little shit that manipulates, tortures and kills people on a regular basis and that's part of what makes him funny. He's a horrible person in every way, and he is regularly punished for being so. When he became Hitler and worshipped Mel Gibson the episode ends with Mel Gibson literally shitting on Cartmans face. But the show also validates Cartman, and yes even his racist opinions, all the time for the sake of being funny.

When Cartman sings about the waterpark being full of minorities and them ruining it the joke isn't just "Oh Cartman being racist again oh haha how silly and unliberal of him!", the big followup joke after Cartman's song is literally about the minorities overwhelming the park and pissing in the water so much they destroy everything by causing a giant piss tsunami.

When people call South Park "le based" for making offensive jokes it's not because "Ah yes clearly Cartman is the hero. He is so literally me and I agree with everything he says" it's because the show isn't afraid of being offensive with it's jokes. It's not afraid to shit on obnoxious progressives or use racial stereotypes or use offensive gags for the sake of being funny, and in doing so it's also not afraid of making someone as awful as Cartman correct for the sake of humor.

That's what makes it based.
 
Fritz the Cat is also still (re)watchable because apart of it being good for pushing the boundaries back in the 70s, it was not the only thing that was good about it. The movie in general reflects its time and society, edge is just a tool to convey that. Sure, maybe, in time people weren't aware that it reflects anything, and too thought that it's just pure edginess. But I still don't think that the garbage that is getting released nowadays will stand the test through time the same way Fritz the Cat did. It's just some edgy garbage that exists for shock value or for edginess sake. Like with cheap horror that uses jumpscares instead of clever writing and genuine thrill, this thing will likely be forgotten literally the next day it gets released.
Fritz the Cat is a representation of post hippie culture and was absolutely hated by R. Crumb. It was the first cartoon to get an X rating. There really isn't anything particularly edgy in it, it's really similar to most counter culture flicks of the late 60s and early 70s. Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat is probably what people think of as being edgy, but even that has social commentary and theming that make it rewatchable.

A movie about dogs wanting to fuck is more in line with Ren and Stimpy "Adult Party Cartoon" which is actual edgy nonsense jokes for late night (spike) TV.
 
Fritz the Cat is a representation of post hippie culture and was absolutely hated by R. Crumb. It was the first cartoon to get an X rating. There really isn't anything particularly edgy in it, it's really similar to most counter culture flicks of the late 60s and early 70s. Nine Lives of Fritz the Cat is probably what people think of as being edgy, but even that has social commentary and theming that make it rewatchable.

A movie about dogs wanting to fuck is more in line with Ren and Stimpy "Adult Party Cartoon" which is actual edgy nonsense jokes for late night (spike) TV.
To think that Spike could have gotten actually violent and awesome anime inside of Adult Party Cartoon, one of the worst things I've ever seen and clearly showed John K was as only good as his writing team l.
 
Fritz the Cat is also still (re)watchable because apart of it being good for pushing the boundaries back in the 70s, it was not the only thing that was good about it. The movie in general reflects its time and society, edge is just a tool to convey that. Sure, maybe, in time people weren't aware that it reflects anything, and too thought that it's just pure edginess. But I still don't think that the garbage that is getting released nowadays will stand the test through time the same way Fritz the Cat did. It's just some edgy garbage that exists for shock value or for edginess sake. Like with cheap horror that uses jumpscares instead of clever writing and genuine thrill, this thing will likely be forgotten literally the next day it gets released.
Thank you. Ralph Bakshi changed a lot about Fritz adapting the comic and I appreciate it because he took something that started as lazy, edgy commentary and turned into something meaningful. The commentary it does on what we now call SJWs still hits even today.
It's why it's so infuriating when stupid people learn about the movie Coonskin and sperg about it being racist despite it having massive contributions from black people in Bakshi's community. His work has nuance I miss seeing in adult animation when it comes to talking about mature subject matter.
 
Thank you. Ralph Bakshi changed a lot about Fritz adapting the comic and I appreciate it because he took something that started as lazy, edgy commentary and turned into something meaningful. The commentary it does on what we now call SJWs still hits even today.
It's why it's so infuriating when stupid people learn about the movie Coonskin and sperg about it being racist despite it having massive contributions from black people in Bakshi's community. His work has nuance I miss seeing in adult animation when it comes to talking about mature subject matter.
If Cools World and his later projects didn’t flop or get meddled. Adult Animation would still be treated with respect.
 
I’ll be straight up, what we really need is a new renaissance of creator-driven cartoons and bolder, riskier primetime animated shows that don’t just mimic other series or fall into the Vivziepop mold.

SpongeBob shouldn't be the last cartoonist-driven show standing. There should be more shows in that same vein. Cartoons that aren't afraid to take risks and avoid being bland or formulaic.

Primetime animation especially needs to embrace that freedom. Back in the '90s and early 2000s, every major network (except Fox and Comedy Central) wanted their piece of the animated market, but most failed because of low ratings (Mission Hill, Clerks: The Animated Series, The Oblongs, and The God, the Devil, and Bob.)

Indie animation has a lot of potential, but not every animator on YouTube has the same resources or freedom as creators like Vivziepop or Glitch Productions. A lot of them are stuck working within the platform's restrictions. These could range from dealing with strict guidelines, algorithm changes, and monetization hurdles. Plus, putting content behind paywalls isn't the alternative situation and it often just limits access and makes it harder for creators to reach a wider audience.

It’ll probably take a big name like Spielberg or another influential Hollywood figure to spark a new wave of interest and investment in animation. Not every “dark age” lasts forever, but it’s hard to predict how long this one will drag on. The potential is there; it just needs the right kind of push to make it a mainstream priority again.
 
If Cools World and his later projects didn’t flop or get meddled. Adult Animation would still be treated with respect.
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Bakshi was a lolcow who did shit-tonnes of damage to animation's reputation in the west. He had zero respect for technical skill or the form itself. Hey Good Looking - the character's mouths don't sync up with the dialogue and were never intended to in the first place. He just drew random mouth movements after watching 8 1/2 I guess, point is it was a dumb idea and if it was supposed to be a stylistic choice it was extremely the wrong one. All the character designs are Liefeld-calibre gonks as well. None of the visual choices accomplish anything and the movie is basically a collection of mistakes that an art teacher would have corrected had he sumbitted the film/drawings for an assignment.a Heavy Metal - there are scenes where colours in the backgrounds flicker because no one could be bothered to colour inside the lines or use the same shade in each frame. The movie has no consistent art style or character design and all the facial expressions look like a primary schooler learning life drawing for the first time drew them. Cool World - lazy, unfinished-looking designs with dated and awkward posing. Ralph Bakshi's medium was Ralph Bakshi, not cartoons, and he fucking sucked at making them.
 
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